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Updated February 3, 2024

NOTE: It is amazing the number of people who have expressed anger, ad hominem attacks, yelling "stupid" and many other grade school responses to simple questions and physics challenges over the last few weeks. This topic seems to be such a trigger for some people who apparently can't deal with anything challenging their paradigm.

Sincere, and perhaps ignorant of physics questions, yes, are all that is being presented here. Why such vitriol and attacks if those reacting like this have any answer at all? Can't a simple debate and discussion ensue instead of fear and angst with completely ignoring the questions and resorting to name calling?

This or any other FE sight doesn't claim to have every answer to a lifetime of propaganda science, BUT isn't afraid to ASK the obvious questions that scream out at us every day but we've been taught to ignore. It is hoped that those who are so challenged in their reactions will suspend their emotions for a short time and tackle the questions instead of the messengers, and have a love for the TRUTH over possible propaganda. Fear, ego, pride and anger are bad masters and stop you from obtaining truth in any aspect of life.

Please address the questions with answers as best you can for the benefit of us ALL!!!


The "Flat Earth" (Geocentric) model
VS
the "Global" (heliocentric) model:
Which is Truth and Which is Fiction?

IF YOU ARE A SKEPTIC OF THIS TOPIC, THEN BE WARNED... YOU WILL NEVER FIND TRUTH WITHOUT BEING STRONG ENOUGH TO SET YOUR PRIDE AND FEAR OF WHAT OTHERS THINK ASIDE, AND TO ACTUALLY DELVE INTO THE ISSUE WITH A ZEAL FOR TRUTH, AND UNDERSTANDING THAT TRUTH IS NEVER LAYING ON THE SURFACE, EASILY PICKED UP. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A REAL TRUTH SEEKER AND SOMEONE WHO BELIEVES THEY ALREADY "KNOW" THE TRUTH DETERMINES WHO WILL ACTUALLY FIND TRUTH!

As you research this, you will deny a lot of it at first, but when you get to the "turning point" challenge for YOU, you will then be able to go back to the other challenges and see them in a different light. Go ahead, try it.


The world is awakening to a lot of truth these days. Lies told to us from infancy are being exposed almost daily. I should start on how I got into looking this far into the matrix...My journey into this so far, because it will help you to understand the possibilities of how we've been lied to all our lives on countless things. Keep in mind that facing the truth when you've believed a lie all your life can be upsetting and make you angry...

My path goes back to 911 and the obvious (now) impossible physics of three buildings "collapsing" (one, building 7 which was NOT hit by any plane) at free-fall speed into their own footprint.

Next, it was continuing my investigations into the Oklahoma City bombing, which turned our to be our own government planting three bombs INSIDE the building, two of which did NOT go off as planned... they wanted everyone dead. (See bottom of "911-fraud" link above left for video proof of news reporting that day on this).

How about the fraud that the Federal Reserve is part of our government and is intended to help Americans?

Huge Lie. The IRS private wage tax (falsely called "income") fraud and the theft of trillions of our dollars?

Unless you've been in a coma the last 5 years, you KNOW how the criminal deep state government and players are being exposed, the Covid fraud, the Democrat and RINO treason and exposure... it ALL has led to simply not believing everything I've been told all my life, like we went to the moon (discussed below). We live in a matrix created to control us and we MUST red pill ourselves and get the truth about EVERYTHING or we remain sheeple!

Listen to what Carl Sagan said in his last interview about being skeptical about science and technology as it is presented to us... THIS is healthy in this day and age of liars...

Given that, logical questions and reasoning is the ONLY way to arrive at the truth. There are too many simple logical questions that science can't explain if it is equally applied to our whole universe regarding a flat earth (FE).

Just ONE of these apparent lies could well be the almost "genetic" coding of a global, round, rotating earth allegedly based on "modern" science.

Why does the subject of a flat earth cause so much ridicule and angst in so many people? The answer is, none of us like the thought of being lied to and deceived all our lives, so we have to defend what we've embraced and even supported in countless ways. Belief does not change science fact and actual data. This small presentation will NOT answer all your obvious questions, but it WILL challenge you as it has me. You will be able to follow up on this on your own if you choose to expand this subject in search for the fullest truth. I am not a genius nor do I claim this is "all" the truth. I am simply trying to convey this info the best I can understand it now. There may be errors in the delivery or even the numbers or claims made, and those I will gladly correct when pointed out with facts.

Question: Why do you believe the earth is a globe? Have you personally proven the earth is round and rotates at 1030 miles an hour at the equator? Have you personally proven that it revolves around the sun at app. 67,000 miles per hour? Have you personally proven the earth moves through the universe at 1.3 million miles an hour?

Why do you believe those things? Because we were ALL taught this from childhood and, of course, we could not actually prove it for ourselves, and simply and innocently accepted what we were told as being true... like Santa Clause and the tooth fairy, right?

Of course, this topic (both sides) is far bigger than a simple article or web page can explore, but here are some challenging questions for you to consider, and discover for yourself, regarding the possibility of a flat earth. Remember, lies are being exposed at an exponential rate these days, so should we simply plod on believing everything we've presumed to be factual without using today's technology and scientific facts to challenges these beliefs?

This is a brief introduction to the flat earth/flat non-rotating plane concept and the puzzling and never-discussed quandaries many have discovered. Consider these simple challenges to see whether you want to pursue this topic in your travels in search of truth. There are many questions to ask and this isn't the answer to all of them. It is simply raising questions which have not been adequately answered given science as we know it, and in this day and age of exposing liars and fraud in our societies, this is but one more topic to finally examine.

Remember... for millennia, mankind had no means to actually quantify the conventional wisdom of the day, but today, we have every scientific tool at our disposal to prove or disprove the alleged facts we've been taught all our lives. Lies cannot run from the light of truth. Prove all things. Hold fast to what is good!

For thousands of years, people believed the earth was a plane, and countless maps created revealed this. They must have had "some" sort of evidence to base their beliefs on. After all, how did so much of past architecture, science and accomplishments occur from such a "primitive" society? Not so "primitive" perhaps...


Here are some intriguing questions that have been raised that need to be scientifically answered without lame excuses or unscientific solutions.

I ask these simple steps be taken if you are intellectually honest and really WANT the truth:

  1. Have pen and paper at hand. You will undoubtedly have questions/challenges/doubts pop into your head while you read through the various issues. Write those down so they are not floating around in your head interfering with you receiving the actual data on the individual issues themselves. You will have plenty of opportunity to redress those later on, if they aren't already answered later. That being said, this will NOT address every aspect of this topic, or every question you have. There are so many obfuscated lies we've been taught all our lives that it is very hard to even SEE them let alone answer them all. Don't let the absence of any answers to challenges you will come up with deter you from investigating what is below. If it is true, the rest will come to light eventually.

  2. Take your time and do NOT jump to conclusions using pre-programmed propaganda we all learned in school. Consider this a college level course you can't just brush away and "pass" without study.

  3. Lastly, don't try to do this all at once unless you really have the time. This topic is NOT a threat to you personally, so don't fight this like an enemy. Truth is truth and error is error. You get to decide what you want to hear and accept. Challenge it with all your might, but also, receive the facts with all your might as well.
  • Air Travel Quandary:

    The earth is allegedly spinning at approximately 1030 miles an hour at the equator, (faster than the speed of sound, which is 761 MPH -mach 1- another science quandary and, by the way, what keeps the earth rotating at that rate of speed?) The speed gradually lessens as you allegedly go north or south of this line on a globe model, down to zero at the poles. This would mean that if you were to fly from New York City to Los Angeles, California, approximately 2791 miles, the earth with Los Angeles on it is "traveling" toward where NYC (longitude) airspace is at approximately 750 miles per hour once the jet takes off. (On the return trip, New York City is traveling AWAY from Los Angeles air space(*) at 750 miles per hour, discussed below). Shouldn't the travel time "TO" LA be fairly quick (approximately 2.2 hours to travel the 2791 miles at 1250 MPH (750 earth travel TOWARD the jet, plus 500 MPH jet travel speed toward LA)? NOTE: 500 miles per hour is a low estimate of actual jet speeds of approximately 550-650+ miles per hour, to make it simple. NOTE: The above does NOT take into consideration the trade winds which are yet ANOTHER speed factor for traveling East toward your destination. Trade winds allegedly are traveling 150-250 MPH FASTER than the spin of the globe Earth, which is traveling East as well. (Note...How can the atmosphere be traveling that much faster than the earth itself?)

    *The term "air space" refers to where the city was under an imaginary stationary point above the city as the earth allegedly rotates away from that point.

  • Of course, the reverse is also true... Traveling from LA to NYC, The earth is moving NYC "AWAY" from LA air space at 750 MPH, while the jet is traveling at 500 MPH trying to catch up. How does the jet every catch up to NYC if it is traveling away at 750 miles per hour while the jet is only traveling at 500 MPH? How, then, is the travel times for both trips almost identical for both flights in our real world experience?

  • When jets, or ANY aircraft, fly from point A to point B, in ANY direction, why is earth's rotation NOT entered into flight calculations? Ask any pilot. Let's imagine a flight from Miami, Florida, to Chicago, Illinois. While you take off from Miami, Chicago is moving east approximately 400 miles during the actual flight time, so why set a direct flight toward Chicago 400 miles west of Miami (longitude line) only to realize Chicago is MOVING East to the right of a north traveling jet? Are flights calculated for THAT earth movement? Let's do one better... Let's go from Miami to Kansas City, KS. While you are leaving Miami, KC is traveling east at approximately 750 MPH, meaning, if the airlines wanted to save time and fuel, the plane would simply fly mostly NORTH to meet KC at the pre-planned point. Do you see the issue? Why chart a "direct flight" to another destination when the actual destination is moving away from you or toward you at varying angles? Imagine a military jet traveling north, trying to land on an aircraft carrier moving east with the earth at 750 Miles per hour...

  • When a pilot charts a course, they chart a straight line... point A to point B. The earth's alleged curve is approximately 8 inches per mile, squared - (8 inches drop the first mile, (1 X 1 X 8), 32 inches drop the second mile, (2 X 2 X 8), 72 inches drop the third mile, (3 X 3 X 8), etc.). This means that ALL destination points charted are well below the horizon. Has anyone ever heard about a pilot having to gradually nudge the nose of their aircraft DOWN to account for the curve of earth? Without that applied by the pilot, or built into the plane's "auto pilot," the aircraft would soon be climbing higher and higher, ignoring the 8 inches per mile drop, and theoretically end up in space. Ask any pilot if these calculations have ever been discussed or exist. They fly level at cruising altitude for, say, a thousand miles and there should be 124 miles lower level drop at 1000 miles and going 2000 miles, there is a 476 mile drop. Ask any pilot if they calculate for this in flying...

  • Imagine a helicopter trip. Let's say, from Chicago, Illinois to the Quad Cities, Illinois (QC) almost directly west across the state... 150+ miles. The earth is bringing the QC toward Chicago airspace at, let's say 650 miles per hour, just to adjust for being more north than DC. This means, the helicopter SHOULD be able to simply rise up and hover, and WAIT for the QC to arrive in about 15 minutes, and then drop down to land. Have you every heard of this occurring? Helicopter trips from the QC to Chicago take the same time either way. How can that be possible with a rotating earth? Why waste all that fuel moving the helicopter when the QC is being brought right to you due to this alleged rotation, for free? Some will say that the helicopter is already traveling as fast as the earth is rotating when it lifts off earth, but what KEEPS it traveling at that speed once it separates from earth? What force keeps it propelled at the same speed as the earth? The same could be said for a hot air balloons... it is nonsense magical physics. (The Helicopter could actually directly fly toward the QC and reduce the time. In flying back to Chicago, the helicopter runs into the same issue of Chicago traveling AWAY from QC airspace, and the helicopter having to "catch up" to Chicago from the west as Chicago travels 650 MPH away. How fast would the helicopter have to travel to make up that difference???)

    • NOTE: There is a running argument against the above discussion which uses the term "conservation of momentum" to try to explain how a plane or helicopter retain their earth speed when they lift from the rotating planet. Of course, this defies all rational science and physics, and even suggests "perpetual motion" that somehow magically appears when the plane or helicopter leaves the earth.

      Consider: A plane takes off and allegedly maintains the same speed as the earth beneath it, but what keeps the plane at that same earth speed if the plane does a 180 turn to go the other way, and how does it lose that momentum it had from the earth? Is there some weird physics that take place as the plane turns? If it is traveling at the same rotational speed as the earth, which is west to east, (at varying speeds depending on north or south location) and it is taking off going west to east as well, but then does a 180 turn to head the opposite east to west direction, what compensates for that sudden earth rotation speed trying to keep it going in the same take off direction? Under physics, the rotational forces it left the ground with would be acting on the plane as it slowly turned and would still be acting on the plane, eventually having it move backwards for a time until the earth speed it left with was compensated for. It is simple physics.

  • Lastly on this topic, try chartering a direct flight from Melbourne, Australia to Buenos Aires, Argentina. In fact, try booking ANY direct flight in the "southern hemisphere" for that matter. I tried to schedule the above trip, and I could, but, the trip was completely out of line with Buenos Aires on a globe model. A direct flight from Melbourne, Australia, OR even Auckland, NZ was impossible. The distance from either is approximately 7236 miles and 6395 miles respectively, however, the flight went from, let's start with Auckland, to San Francisco (North) 6499 miles, then from SF to Houston at 1642 miles, then from Houston to Buenos Aires, Argentina at 5025 miles. So, we have a direct flight of 6395 miles from Auckland, but have to travel 13,166 miles to make that trip, with the huge out-of-the-way trip to the Northern Hemisphere and America. This makes zero sense on a global model but the ONLY real route on a flat earth model. Do your own trip planning for similar trips and track the path. How does any of that make sense?

  • Here are "scientific" alleged rotation stats you can use to decide whether their "science" can explain the challenges in this document... (trust the science...) or more deception. At the North Pole (90 degrees north) and South Pole (90 degrees south), the speed is effectively zero because that spot rotates once in 24 hours, at a very, very slow speed.

For other latitudes, the earth's speed is:

  • 10 degrees: 1,021.7837 mph (1,644.4 km/h)
  • 20 degrees: 974.9747 mph (1,569.1 km/h)
  • 30 degrees: 898.54154 mph (1,446.1 km/h)
  • 40 degrees: 794.80665 mph (1,279.1 km/h)
  • 50 degrees: 666.92197 mph (1,073.3 km/h)
  • 60 degrees: 518.7732 mph (834.9 km/h)
  • 70 degrees: 354.86177 mph (571.1 km/h)
  • 80 degrees: 180.16804 mph (289.95 km/h)

Sample table of alleged orbital velocities

City Latitude MPH KPH
Longyearbyen, Norway 78.1 degrees N 214 344
Moscow, Russia 55.8 degrees N 583 939
London, UK 51.5 degrees N 646 1040
New York, USA 41.9 degrees N 772 1243
Los Angeles, USA 34.1 degrees N 859 1383
Quito, Ecuador 0.2 degrees S 1037 1670
Rio de Janeiro, Brazil 22.9 degrees 955 1538
Cape Town, South Africa 33.9 degrees S 861 1386
Ushuaia, Argentina 54.5 degrees S 602 970

Do you feel like you are moving, even a little, standing where you are on earth? Explain the science that answers the questions herein.

Other globe model conundrums:

  • The earth has a pressurized atmosphere which allegedly borders the huge vacuum of space. The elephant in the room is this... what keeps the atmosphere from rushing toward that vacuum? In any grade school science experiment with pressure and vacuum, it is well established that pressure moves TOWARD a vacuum. Two pressure differences cannot exist side by side without a barrier, or movement toward the lower pressure, as in weather system "highs" and "lows". Law of thermodynamics. Take a container with a divider in it. One side you fill with air, the other you remove all air, leaving a vacuum. What happens when you remove the divider between the air and vacuum or open a valve between the two? Any child knows the air will fill the vacuum, and equalize the container. So, how can the atmosphere of earth be contained with no divider between the alleged vacuum of space and the atmosphere itself? What "physics" are so different up there that the atmosphere simply stays in place, countering the 2nd law of thermodynamics? Continuing, this would call into question ALL the planets in our "solar system" with their atmospheres, clouds, the "gas giants, etc. Are they really as described? What of all the alleged images of these bodies with intact atmospheres? How much of what we've been fed for all our lives is actually real and NOT computer generated?

    Gravity-The Magic word

  • Many will say "gravity" is what maintains the atmosphere from being sucked into the vacuum. Does this negate the pressure laws we just discussed? How can "gravity" (something they STILL cannot explain scientifically with any credibility) hold air away from such a huge vacuum of space? Space vacuum is tremendously powerful, as NASA and others portray...(less than 1 millionth tore). If this is the explanation, why doesn't the moon's "gravity" (or sun...) not pull at the atmosphere away from earth? The moon is alleged to be the "pull" which causes the ocean's tides, and the sun is allegedly the pull maintaining earth in an orbit around it, so it logically should be tugging at the atmosphere at the same time, especially without any barrier to stop the tug forces, right? I mean, if the earth holds the atmosphere around earth due to its "gravitational pull" and the moon tugs at the earth's tides (and earth itself), it would HAVE to be tugging at our atmosphere as well.

    And, while we're on the topic of tides, why do ONLY the oceans have tides when the largest bodies of water second to oceans, lakes... have ZERO tidal evidence? Why doesn't lake Superior or Michigan have similar tidal evidence? NONE!

    Gravity, earth's spin, and your weight... another gravity issue:

  • The earth's speed at the equator is approximately 1030 miles an hour... see photo above. As you go north or south of this line on a global model, the rotation speed allegedly decreases. "Gravity" is allegedly what holds us to the earth and prevents things from flying off of the globe at hundreds of miles per hour, whether a marble or a jumbo jet. Gravity is also a constant... that is, it is the same "downward pull" anywhere on earth. "Gravity" is what allegedly gives us (or anything) "weight" and which counters the earth's rotating physics to throw everything off the planet. So, given those accepted "scientific" facts, we have to ask a question:

    Given the chart above, as you go north or south, the earth's speed decreases, which, from a physics point of view, "should" mean that the rotational force trying to throw you (and everything else) off the planet lessens, and "gravity" should be pulling you (and everything else...) down harder, making you (and everything else) "weight" more as the rotational speed lessens. (Think merry-go-round).

    What do we see in real world physics? You can go from the equator, to Alaska, or even the north pole (almost zero spin speed), and weigh yourself, (or anything else) and you will see that you (and everything else) weighs exactly the same as anywhere ELSE on earth, despite the differing alleged rotation speed and forces. This means that, on the globe earth model, as you go north or south, everything should weigh more, and hence, you would need much bigger muscles and strength to even walk, let alone do anything else that takes effort. EVERYTHING would HAVE to weigh more if the forces trying to throw them off the earth as it "spins" are less, and gravity attraction pulls the same everywhere. See the problem?

    Gravity and tidal pull:

  • If the moon's gravity is what pulls the tides, why aren't there equal or even greater "solar" tides as well? The sun, it is claimed, is what maintains the revolutions of the planets, including earth, around itself, by gravitational pull, so there must be at least an equal force that would do the same as the moon with lunar tides on earth, but we do not see this. Imagine if "gravity" were really gravitationally "pulling" from all these "space" bodies, how much chaos would there be on earth since they are not all "pulling" from the same direction?

    Earth's alleged curve not actually there:

  • The 8 inch per mile squared curvature of the earth was discussed a bit above, but let's delve into this a bit more. For every mile of earth, the curve allegedly drops almost 8 inches... squared, from end to end. If you have an expanse of water that crosses dozens or even a 100 or more miles, the drop should be easily measured. (Earth Curve Calculator). Take a laser, and place a receiver at the other side of a 100 mile body of water. The actual drop from one end to the other should measure 6100 feet... over a mile. This means that at the other end of this measurement, 6100 feet of the earth should be missing below the curve, except this doesn't happen. (See video with actual camera viewing of this below). Not even an inch disappears below the horizon and all features which should be out of view are clearly seen using a good telescope or newer cameras like the Nikon COOLPIX P1000, which has been used to prove these facts in recent times. You can try this experiment yourself if you find this hard to believe. Many dozens of scientific experiments have been conducted across great expanses of "flat" ground or bodies of water. Using modern day optics and magnification, it has been conclusively proven that the alleged 8 inch curvature simply isn't there across many miles of territory. Objects which should be many feet below the earths curve can be readily seen by good quality cameras or telescopes. This should be impossible if the earth curves downward and out of view.

  • Similar experiments can be performed using laser measurements on buildings. As any building is further and further away from another, being built on a "curved" earth, the buildings should exhibit a leaning away effect from the origin of measurement.... \ /... as you measure further away buildings. However, when this is performed, the laser measures the same distance at the top of the building as at the bottom. This should not be possible unless the building is on flat, level ground, despite its distance.

    Water, sea level and bending oceans:

  • The issue of water levels, (sea "level") the issue of water "bending" around a curved globe needs to be looked at as well. Water ALWAYS seeks it's own level. Simple experiments prove this every day, and this fact is actually used in landscaping and level measurements. So, the obvious question is, what maintains the "level" of water on a curved ball? Again, many call on "gravity" to come to the rescue. Does this make sense though? Water needs a container to maintain its level. Thinking scientifically and using simple physics, it is illogical to presume that water is held against the earth, "level," but then bends, but stays in level place as it bends. Again, using good equipment on the ocean front, this can be proven that the water does NOT bend along with the earth.

  • For example, ships and such that seem to sail "out of view" because of going over the "curve" at the horizon, are NOT disappearing out of physical view. They appear to do this (perspective) using the naked eye, which is very limited, but the telescope or camera can soon bring these "disappeared" ships quickly back into clear and FULL view without any amount of them missing despite being dozens or even a hundred miles away. Do the experiment yourself.

    Earth's atmosphere, clouds and wind moving faster than earth's spin?

  • If the earth is rotating at approximately 1030 miles per hour at the equator, how can the atmosphere be so "still" and actually move faster than the earth to the east in general trade wind weather? Same goes wherever you may be. The "atmosphere" is moving FASTER than the earth spins in usual weather patterns of west to east, and occasionally goes the OPPOSITE direction of the earth's spin, blowing east to west. (Or north, or from the south). Does it FEEL like we are traveling app. 800-900 MPH in America. Why aren't there massive wind storms?

    Earth curve, "downhill" motion of water not occurring:

  • Given that the earth's alleged curve is 8 inches per mile squared, let's presume that you are standing on the sea shore, and the mountains are 100 miles away from you, toward... any direction, it doesn't matter. ANY direction from you is DOWN on a curved ball earth. At the end of the first mile, it is 8 inches lower than you, in ANY direction. Next mile is 32 inches lower than you, third mile is 72 inches lower than you, etc. At 100 miles, the ground has allegedly dropped away from you, yet, YOU, being at "sea level," understand that ALL water flows to the sea "level". So how can the water be flowing TOWARD you, uphill, to the sea where you are standing? Does that sound right and normal to you? Explain that with science.

  • Another example: The Suez canal (That name is "Zeus" spelled backwards...) is 121 miles long, end to end. On a curved earth, that would be a drop of 9,704.5 feet from one end to the other end. So, why doesn't the water flow... either direction? Remember, at any point along that 121 miles, it is ALL down hill if there is a curve. Say you are at the middle of the Suez canal. At this point, the water has two basic downhill directions: forward or backward, (not to mention every OTHER direction) because water seeks its own level, as it ALWAYS does. So, why isn't there a flow of water through that canal? What keeps that water in a "level" canal "level" for 121 miles despite the 9,704.5 feet of downhill drop, ESPECIALLY on a truly flat surface that water represents? (The Panama canal, at 51 miles long is similar in physics as well). Do you own calculations:.

    Sun's light causing diverging rays despite being 93 million miles away:

    • Have you ever seen this?

      If the sun is 91 million miles away in winter (North America) and 94 million miles away in summer, (how do they know this?), how can a sunset reveal diverging light rays? Light travels in a "straight" line as science teaches, unless refracted by something, so how can this divergence be a regular occurrence on earth? Doesn't it appear that the sun is far closer to earth than they make it out to be? Would "refraction" be the answer to every unparallel sunset light rays shining through the clouds in exactly the same way?

    Comet regularity:

  • How about the topic of "comets?" Even IF we could agree that they are out in deep space and not in the firmament itself, how can it be possible for them to make "regular" returns to earth, to be seen and analyzed, if EVERYTHING is moving at various speeds THROUGH the universe? Are we to presume that Halley's comet is so precisely in right synchronous orbit through deep space to be able to arrive perfectly in time, (not to mention all the lunar and solar "eclipses") so that it can actually be predicted? How come "gravity" that every body in space exerts doesn't alter the course of these timed arrivals?


A couple last topics...

Polaris proves non-rotating earth:

  • The heliocentric model of the earth revolving around the sun while traveling at great speeds through the universe can be easily disproven, and has been. Polaris... what we all know as the "north star" has been photographed countless times in time lapse photography. These photos clearly show that all the stars are traveling around this star in perfect concentric circles. If the earth were rotating (and tilting), these pictures would be impossible. This has been true for as long as photography has been around, and the corresponding constellations have been recognizable for millennia. If the earth and all celestial bodies were traveling through space as is alleged, these constellations and stars would be changing and NOT staying exactly the same century after century. How can these lights travel in a perfect circle around Polaris if the earth is traveling around the sun, and the sun is traveling at 448,000 miles per hour through the universe?

    Side note: Could Polaris, the North Star, be where God's throne is? Everything revolves around that star, and the earth is set at the other end of this rotation system. (Isaiah 14:13).

    The ONLY way Polaris could have all the stars traveling in a concentric circle around it is for them to be moving, and not the earth rotating. Earth rotation could NOT allow such a time lapse picture to occur.

    Antarctic Ice wall:

  • Under the geocentric flat earth model, the Antarctic is a ring of ice wall 360 degrees around the outer perimeter of the earth which holds the oceans in place. Water seeks its own level (sea level???) and outside a container, water can only "level" out all over the place.

    Why did approximately 54 nations sign treaties declaring the Antarctic off limits? No one can go beyond the 60th parallel to explore this continent. No public fly-overs are allowed. Why, if this is the shortest route for many flights? What is on the other side of the Antarctic ice wall? More land? Why did Admiral Byrd speak about abundance beyond the ice wall on this continent in his explorations? Why would they want to keep people from exploring this area?


Is there biblical evidence of the earth being a plane and not a ball?

The atmosphere is held above earth by a "firmament" as described in the Bible in Genesis. (Gen. 1:6). (Please note that if the bible turns you off from discovering the truth about your home, then don't pay any attention to the discussion on the bible evidence, and concentrate on the secular scientific facts that cannot be refuted... THEN you may want to rethink the idea of our human destiny and how we are being lied to by an enemy... EVEN about the bible itself and what it truly teaches.)

Firmament, in Hebrew, comes from Strong's # H7549, raw-kee'-ah, From H7554; "properly an expanse, that is, the firmament or (apparently) visible arch of the sky: - firmament."

Other scriptural support:

Gen 1:6 "And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. Gen 1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. Gen 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day."

Firmament H7549 comes from the root word H7554, raw-kah' "A primitive root; to pound the earth (as a sign of passion); by analogy to expand (by hammering); by implication to overlay (with thin sheets of metal): - beat, make broad, spread abroad (forth, over, out, into plates), stamp, stretch."

Doesn't that sound like a created solid dome that is "stretched" across the earth to contain the atmosphere... "Visible arch of the sky" as the H7549 reveals? "Firm" signifies something solid...not simply air or empty space as science or even biblical scholars try to describe it.

Gen 1:14 "And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: Gen 1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. Gen 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. Gen 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, Gen 1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good."

Mat 5:45 "That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he makes his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust."

Points to note: These were two great lights... obviously the sun for ruling the day and the moon for ruling the night. Lights, not stars, as vs :16 shows, they were made as separate things. They were set in the firmament which, apparently, moves around the earth, which is why Polaris is stationary, and the stars circle around it.

Pro 8:29 "When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:"

This would be the ice wall of Antarctic which holds all the world's ocean waters in place, level across the earth. That is why water from the land always flows downhill toward the level oceans and lakes.

Psa 19:1 "To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament shows his handywork."

If this isn't "space" and the alleged "universe," wouldn't that be more of a display of a "creator" making something we've completely overlooked? Evolution is used to explain the accidental big bang, Godless slow development of the claimed universe billions of light years across. What if this were a lie and humanity discovered the sealed system with earth at the center??? THAT would certainly beg the question, "WHO" made this structure for us. Evil does not want you to discover the creator...

Psa 19:4 "Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun..."

Tabernacle = H168: o'-hel, From H166; "a tent (as clearly conspicuous from a distance): - covering, (dwelling) (place), home, tabernacle, tent."

Does the word "tent" describe an expanse that completely envelops the earth and goes on for billions of light years, with the earth being a small, nothing planet in a sea of planets and other space bodies, in a small offbeat section of this universe?

"The end of the world" doesn't describe a ball earth. The ice wall that encircles the land of earth certainly is describes the end, or at least one we cannot pass.

Isa 40:22 "It is he that sits on the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretches out the heavens as a curtain, and spreads them out as a tent to dwell in:"

Circle = H2329 From H2328; a circle: - circle, circuit
H2328, khoog "A primitive root (compare H2287); to describe a circle."

"Curtain" and "tent" both suggest a divide or wall that allows for human life to exist in a closed system.

Some claim Isa. 40:22 proves a globe creation, "circle" supporting a globe or ball, but given the scientific evidence proof on this page, the "circle" can easily be the round earth as it is on a flat expanse of ground surrounded 360 degrees by the ice wall. What else would a simple circle like a plate be described as in shape?

Isa 66:1 "Thus says the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool".

Are foot stools ball shaped, or flat on top???

Job 2:2 "The LORD asked Satan, 'Where have you come from?' In response, Satan told the LORD, 'From wandering all over the earth and walking back and forth throughout it.'"

This sounds more like a flat plain and not a ball he's walking around.

Job 38:4 "Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Declare, if you have understanding. Job 38:5 Who has laid the measures thereof, if you know? or who hath stretched the line upon it? Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;"

Do foundations move? Do you build anything on anything but solid and unmoving "earth?" (Mt. 7:24-27)

The term "The Ends of the Earth" are used in 29 scriptural passages. This isn't something that would apply to a ball/globe/planet because where would the "end" of this ball be if you began moving in any direction around it? The ice wall on a flat plane at the southern most "end" holding in the oceans could literally be "the end" of the earth as we have it today.

Pro 25:3 "The heaven for height, and the earth for depth, and the heart of kings is unsearchable."

Heaven's height and earth's depth "Unsearchable?"

Psa_93:1 "The LORD reigns, he is clothed with majesty; the LORD is clothed with strength... the world also is established, that it cannot be moved."

Video on biblical proof and government documents proving no "space".


What would the flat earth, if fully proven as scientific fact, mean for humanity?

What other myths might crumble along with the enslavement and limitation of humanity under scientific voodoo?

  • It would mean we never went to the moon in the 60's.

  • No mars landing, space probes, etc., would be possible if there is a dome above us containing our atmosphere.

  • The biggest elephant in the room would be, "who built the wall, and why?" It would soon be evident to all humanity that this dome and ice wall were deliberate creations and did not "evolve" over millions of years, destroying the false religion of evolution. I still have many questions(**) I'm searching out that address all the brainwashing I received in schools in science, but the above are serious challenges that no one has been able to answer with any credibility and proof. Such a scientific fact being suppressed by the elite have a single purpose in keeping this hidden...

  • ... that of hiding the fact of there being a creator God who established this "container" specifically for humanity. A firmament above a flat plane earth precludes "evolution" of the universe, the "big bang" fraud, and proves we are at the very center of the known universe, and are part of the most incredible creative process possible... that of being created in the very image and likeness of our creator. The whole concept of a creator God's existence would be inevitable, and THAT is a big reason this is being hidden and obfuscated. Evidence of design, intelligence and intention.

  • No one is leaving this planet without God and without being changed by His power and force to be able to survive outside this envelope. Humanity is being separated from God by the scientific misdirection and fraud being implemented on all humanity. The enemy, Satan, and his fallen angels, (UFO's alleged "extra-terrestrials") all want mankind to fail in this process, and thus, so many are being deceived and cast into a limitless universe, on an insignificant ball in the middle of the vastness of "space" and made to feel like accidents of evolution and no more important than some endangered species, or even a worm.

  • This would mean earth is the center of creation and God's plan, not some remote speck in an endless sea of specks, making humanity appear to be meaningless and of no consequence instead of realizing that humanity is destined to be God's very offspring. Evil does not want that realization to enter the human mind. This fact demands humanity to look inward and then realize that it is only looking outward, toward the creator of this habitat that we will ever be able to reach that level of existence where our creator lives, and realize our destiny... that of being born into the God Family!


Miscellaneous points to consider:

  • Have you ever seen the moon actually approaching the sun during an eclipse, and gradually covering it? See video below on this topic.

  • The global flood of Genesis is even more plausible given a flat plane that could be flooded.

  • Consider this: Satellites are allegedly all over space above a rotating earth. Many are allegedly in "geosynchronous orbit." This means that, in order for the satellites to maintain that same position over one spot on earth at "X" number of miles "above" earth, those satellites would have to be moving far faster than the earth rotates at any given surface position, AND, each satellite would have to be placed at that speed individually depending on where it is over a rotating globe. The logistics of this achievement would be unimaginable.

  • Given the evidence herein thus far, the entire moon landing scenario seem impossible, (dome and sealed system).

    The evidence of the staged landing-1 and evidence of the staged landing-2

    Scott Henderson: Apollo Hoax, California Dreaming [Mirror]

    Apollo Moon Hoax Evidence

    Scott Henderson - more photo evidence of moon landing hoax

    The moon landing pictures and evidence has been evaluated by many professionals, and found to be laughable and provably faked. There are dozens of videos on this evidence proving we never went to the moon, but they are a challenge to locate (they aren't on the first few pages of any search...) as they are being suppressed and manipulated like so many topics being suppressed by fake news and government criminals these days.

    In fact, November 28, 2023 a video was released where Putin was shown moon landing pictures which Google AI stated categorically were FAKE images.

    The pictures of the astronauts on the moon all those times, with the sun shining on them... look at the moon anytime it is visible, and you see a bright shining surface, even at a crescent. The astronauts were obviously portrayed in the "sun" light but that light was very dim compared to what we see from earth. How can this be?

Video and other Evidence: (Keep this in mind in investigating this topic... don't shoot the messenger. Many people are trying in their own way to expose this and many related topics, and don't always do it in a professional or even desirable way, especially in videos. The message is what is important, so take what you can make sense of and use it, and don't let the delivery persuade you away from continuing your search).