The "Flat Earth" (Geocentric) model VS the "Global" (heliocentric) model: Which is Truth and Which is Fiction?

Updated June 1, 2024

NOTE: It is amazing the number of people who have expressed anger, ad hominem attacks, yelling "stupid" and many other grade school responses to simple questions and physics challenges over the last few weeks. This topic seems to be such a trigger for some people who apparently can't deal with anything challenging their paradigm.

Sincere, and perhaps ignorant of physics questions, yes, are all that is being presented here. Why such vitriol and attacks if those reacting like this have any answer at all? Can't a simple debate and discussion ensue instead of fear and angst with completely ignoring the questions and resorting to name calling?

This or any other FE web sight doesn't claim to have every answer to a lifetime of propaganda science, BUT isn't afraid to ASK the obvious questions that scream out at us every day but we've been taught to ignore. It is hoped that those who are so challenged in their reactions will suspend their emotions for a short time and tackle the questions instead of the messengers, and have a love for the TRUTH over possible propaganda. Fear, ego, pride and anger are bad masters and stop you from obtaining truth in any aspect of life.

Please address the questions with answers as best you can for the benefit of us ALL!!!

For recent images taken with the Nikon P1000 camera of the moon, sun and alleged planets and "stars", go to the Space Evidence Page 1 and Space Evidence Page 2 and see if this is what you've been told about our moon, planets, "stars" and the sun.

For those skeptics who can't bring themselves to face this possibility and don't want to spend time on "foolishness", here's a short 22 minute video that will begin to delve into this topic. Original Series What-on-Earth-Happened-part 1, and Part 8 - REALLY good and will open your mind. (Be aware that the second part episode does NOT follow the first... youtube or someone messing with the series and a globe discussion follows. Obviously trying to prevent you from continuing. Just do a search for "What Happened On Earth Series part 2" and so on if they continue to mess with the series. If you cannot locate the episode on YouTube, do the same search through the browser main address bar. Some are on Rumble, too. Download these videos for obvious reasons).

You can come back here to continue your research if you've been challenged enough...

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The "Flat Earth" (Geocentric) model
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the "Global" (heliocentric) model:
Which is Truth and Which is Fiction?

IF YOU ARE A SKEPTIC OF THIS TOPIC, THEN BE WARNED... YOU WILL NEVER FIND TRUTH WITHOUT BEING STRONG ENOUGH TO SET YOUR PRIDE AND FEAR OF WHAT OTHERS THINK ASIDE, AND TO ACTUALLY DELVE INTO THE ISSUE WITH A ZEAL FOR TRUTH, AND UNDERSTANDING THAT TRUTH IS NEVER LAYING ON THE SURFACE, EASILY PICKED UP. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A REAL TRUTH SEEKER AND SOMEONE WHO BELIEVES THEY ALREADY "KNOW" THE TRUTH DETERMINES WHO WILL ACTUALLY FIND TRUTH!

As you research this, you will deny a lot of it at first, but when you get to the "turning point" challenge for YOU, you will then be able to go back to the other challenges and see them in a different light. Go ahead, try it.

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The world is awakening to a lot of truth these days. Lies told to us from infancy are being exposed almost daily. I should start on how I got into looking this far into the matrix...My journey into this so far, because it will help you to understand the possibilities of how we've been lied to all our lives on countless things. Keep in mind that facing the truth when you've believed a lie all your life can be upsetting and make you angry...

My path goes back to 911 and the obvious (now) impossible physics of three buildings "collapsing" (one, building 7 which was NOT hit by any plane) at free-fall speed into their own footprint.

Next, it was continuing my investigations into the Oklahoma City bombing, which turned our to be our own government planting three bombs INSIDE the building, two of which did NOT go off as planned... they wanted everyone dead. (See bottom of "911-fraud" link above left for video proof of news reporting that day on this).

How about the fraud that the Federal Reserve is part of our government and is intended to help Americans?

Huge Lie. The IRS private wage tax (falsely called "income") fraud and the theft of trillions of our dollars?

Unless you've been in a coma the last 5 years, you KNOW how the criminal deep state government and players are being exposed, the Covid fraud, the Democrat and RINO treason and exposure... it ALL has led to simply not believing everything I've been told all my life, like we went to the moon (discussed below). We live in a matrix created to control us and we MUST red pill ourselves and get the truth about EVERYTHING or we remain sheeple!

Listen to what Carl Sagan said in his last interview about being skeptical about science and technology as it is presented to us... THIS is healthy in this day and age of liars...

Given that, logical questions and reasoning is the ONLY way to arrive at the truth. There are too many simple logical questions that science can't explain if it is equally applied to our whole universe regarding a flat earth (FE).

Just ONE of these apparent lies could well be the almost "genetic" coding of a global, round, rotating earth allegedly based on "modern" science.

Why does the subject of a flat earth cause so much ridicule and angst in so many people? The answer is, none of us like the thought of being lied to and deceived all our lives, so we have to defend what we've embraced and even supported in countless ways. Belief does not change science fact and actual data. This small presentation will NOT answer all your obvious questions, but it WILL challenge you as it has me. You will be able to follow up on this on your own if you choose to expand this subject in search for the fullest truth. I am not a genius nor do I claim this is "all" the truth. I am simply trying to convey this info the best I can understand it now. There may be errors in the delivery or even the numbers or claims made, and those I will gladly correct when pointed out with facts.

Question: Why do you believe the earth is a globe? Have you personally proven the earth is round and rotates at 1030 miles an hour at the equator? Have you personally proven that it revolves around the sun at app. 67,000 miles per hour? Have you personally proven the earth moves through the universe at 1.3 million miles an hour?

Why do you believe those things? Because we were ALL taught this from childhood and, of course, we could not actually prove it for ourselves, and simply and innocently accepted what we were told as being true... like Santa Clause and the tooth fairy, right?

Of course, this topic (both sides) is far bigger than a simple article or web page can explore, but here are some challenging questions for you to consider, and discover for yourself, regarding the possibility of a flat earth. Remember, lies are being exposed at an exponential rate these days, so should we simply plod on believing everything we've presumed to be factual without using today's technology and scientific facts to challenges these beliefs?

This is a brief introduction to the flat earth/flat non-rotating plane concept and the puzzling and never-discussed quandaries many have discovered. Consider these simple challenges to see whether you want to pursue this topic in your travels in search of truth. There are many questions to ask and this isn't the answer to all of them. It is simply raising questions which have not been adequately answered given science as we know it, and in this day and age of exposing liars and fraud in our societies, this is but one more topic to finally examine.

Remember... for millennia, mankind had no means to actually quantify the conventional wisdom of the day, but today, we have every scientific tool at our disposal to prove or disprove the alleged facts we've been taught all our lives. Lies cannot run from the light of truth. Prove all things. Hold fast to what is good!

For thousands of years, people believed the earth was a plane, and countless maps created revealed this. They must have had "some" sort of evidence to base their beliefs on. After all, how did so much of past architecture, science and accomplishments occur from such a "primitive" society? Not so "primitive" perhaps...

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Here are some intriguing questions that have been raised that need to be scientifically answered without lame excuses or unscientific solutions.

I ask these simple steps be taken if you are intellectually honest and really WANT the truth:

1. Have pen and paper at hand. You will undoubtedly have questions/challenges/doubts pop into your head while you read through the various issues. Write those down so they are not floating around in your head interfering with you receiving the actual data on the individual issues themselves. You will have plenty of opportunity to redress those later on, if they aren't already answered later. That being said, this will NOT address every aspect of this topic, or every question you have. There are so many obfuscated lies we've been taught all our lives that it is very hard to even SEE them let alone answer them all. Don't let the absence of any answers to challenges you will come up with deter you from investigating what is below. If it is true, the rest will come to light eventually.
2. Take your time and do NOT jump to conclusions using pre-programmed propaganda we all learned in school. Consider this a college level course you can't just brush away and "pass" without study.

3. Lastly, don't try to do this all at once unless you really have the time. This topic is NOT a threat to you personally, so don't fight this like an enemy. Truth is truth and error is error. You get to decide what you want to hear and accept. Challenge it with all your might, but also, receive the facts with all your might as well.

• Air Travel Quandary:

  The earth is allegedly spinning at approximately 1030 miles an hour at the equator, (faster than the speed of sound, which is 761 MPH -mach 1- another science quandary and, by the way, what keeps the earth rotating at that rate of speed?) The speed gradually lessens as you allegedly go north or south of this line on a globe model, down to zero at the poles. This would mean that if you were to fly from New York City to Los Angeles, California, approximately 2791 miles, the earth with Los Angeles on it is "traveling" toward where NYC (longitude) airspace is at approximately 750 miles per hour once the jet takes off. (On the return trip, New York City is traveling AWAY from Los Angeles air space( * ) at 750 miles per hour, discussed below). Shouldn't the travel time "TO" LA be fairly quick (approximately 2.2 hours to travel the 2791 miles at 1250 MPH (750 earth travel TOWARD the jet, plus 500 MPH jet travel speed toward LA)? NOTE: 500 miles per hour is a low estimate of actual jet speeds of approximately 550-650+ miles per hour, to make it simple. NOTE: The above does NOT take into consideration the trade winds which are yet ANOTHER speed factor for traveling East toward your destination. Trade winds allegedly are traveling 150-250 MPH FASTER than the spin of the globe Earth, which is traveling East as well. (Note...How can the atmosphere be traveling that much faster than the earth itself?)

  * The term "air space" refers to where the city was under an imaginary stationary point above the city as the earth allegedly rotates away from that point.

  

• Of course, the reverse is also true... Traveling from LA to NYC, The earth is moving NYC "AWAY" from LA air space at 750 MPH, while the jet is traveling at 500 MPH trying to catch up. How does the jet every catch up to NYC if it is traveling away at 750 miles per hour while the jet is only traveling at 500 MPH? How, then, is the travel times for both trips almost identical for both flights in our real world experience?
• When jets, or ANY aircraft, fly from point A to point B, in ANY direction, why is earth's rotation NOT entered into flight calculations? Ask any pilot. Let's imagine a flight from Miami, Florida, to Chicago, Illinois. While you take off from Miami, Chicago is moving east approximately 400 miles during the actual flight time, so why set a direct flight toward Chicago 400 miles west of Miami (longitude line) only to realize Chicago is MOVING East to the right of a north traveling jet? Are flights calculated for THAT earth movement? Let's do one better... Let's go from Miami to Kansas City, KS. While you are leaving Miami, KC is traveling east at approximately 750 MPH, meaning, if the airlines wanted to save time and fuel, the plane would simply fly mostly NORTH to meet KC at the pre-planned point. Do you see the issue? Why chart a "direct flight" to another destination when the actual destination is moving away from you or toward you at varying angles? Imagine a military jet traveling north, trying to land on an aircraft carrier moving east with the earth at 750 Miles per hour...

When a pilot charts a course, they chart a straight line... point A to point B. The earth's alleged curve is approximately 8 inches per mile, squared - (8 inches drop the first mile, (1 X 1 X 8), 32 inches drop the second mile, (2 X 2 X 8), 72 inches drop the third mile, (3 X 3 X 8), etc.). This means that ALL destination points charted are well below the horizon. Has anyone ever heard about a pilot having to gradually nudge the nose of their aircraft DOWN to account for the curve of earth? Without that applied by the pilot, or built into the plane's "auto pilot," the aircraft would soon be climbing higher and higher, ignoring the 8 inches per mile drop, and theoretically end up in space. Ask any pilot if these calculations have ever been discussed or exist. They fly level at cruising altitude for, say, a thousand miles and there should be 124 miles lower level drop at 1000 miles and going 2000 miles, there is a 476 mile drop. Ask any pilot if they calculate for this in flying...

Lastly on this topic, try chartering a direct flight from Melbourne, Australia to Buenos Aires, Argentina. In fact, try booking ANY direct flight in the "southern hemisphere" for that matter. I tried to schedule the above trip, and I could, but, the trip was completely out of line with Buenos Aires on a globe model. A direct flight from Melbourne, Australia, OR even Auckland, NZ was impossible. The distance from either is approximately 7236 miles and 6395 miles respectively, however, the flight went from, let's start with Auckland, to San Francisco (North) 6499 miles, then from SF to Houston at 1642 miles, then from Houston to Buenos Aires, Argentina at 5025 miles. So, we have a direct flight of 6395 miles from Auckland, but have to travel 13,166 miles to make that trip, with the huge out-of-the-way trip to the Northern Hemisphere and America. This makes zero sense on a global model but the ONLY real route on a flat earth model. Do your own trip planning for similar trips and track the path. How does any of that make sense?

For other latitudes, the earth's speed is:

• 10 degrees: 1,021.7837 mph (1,644.4 km/h)
• 20 degrees: 974.9747 mph (1,569.1 km/h)
• 30 degrees: 898.54154 mph (1,446.1 km/h)
• 40 degrees: 794.80665 mph (1,279.1 km/h)
• 50 degrees: 666.92197 mph (1,073.3 km/h)
• 60 degrees: 518.7732 mph (834.9 km/h)
• 70 degrees: 354.86177 mph (571.1 km/h)
• 80 degrees: 180.16804 mph (289.95 km/h)

Sample table of alleged orbital velocities

Do you feel like you are moving, even a little, standing where you are on earth? Explain the science that answers the questions herein.

Other globe model conundrums:

• The earth has a pressurized atmosphere which allegedly borders the huge vacuum of space. The elephant in the room is this... what keeps the atmosphere from rushing toward that vacuum? In any grade school science experiment with pressure and vacuum, it is well established that pressure moves TOWARD a vacuum. Two pressure differences cannot exist side by side without a barrier, or movement toward the lower pressure, as in weather system "highs" and "lows". Law of thermodynamics. Take a container with a divider in it. One side you fill with air, the other you remove all air, leaving a vacuum. What happens when you remove the divider between the air and vacuum or open a valve between the two? Any child knows the air will fill the vacuum, and equalize the container. So, how can the atmosphere of earth be contained with no divider between the alleged vacuum of space and the atmosphere itself? What "physics" are so different up there that the atmosphere simply stays in place, countering the 2nd law of thermodynamics? Continuing, this would call into question ALL the planets in our "solar system" with their atmospheres, clouds, the "gas giants, etc. Are they really as described? What of all the alleged images of these bodies with intact atmospheres? How much of what we've been fed for all our lives is actually real and NOT computer generated?

  

  Gravity-The Magic word

• Many will say "gravity" is what maintains the atmosphere from being sucked into the vacuum. Does this negate the pressure laws we just discussed? How can "gravity" (something they STILL cannot explain scientifically with any credibility) hold air away from such a huge vacuum of space? Space vacuum is tremendously powerful, as NASA and others portray...(less than 1 millionth tore). If this is the explanation, why doesn't the moon's "gravity" (or sun...) not pull at the atmosphere away from earth? The moon is alleged to be the "pull" which causes the ocean's tides, and the sun is allegedly the pull maintaining earth in an orbit around it, so it logically should be tugging at the atmosphere at the same time, especially without any barrier to stop the tug forces, right? I mean, if the earth holds the atmosphere around earth due to its "gravitational pull" and the moon tugs at the earth's tides (and earth itself), it would HAVE to be tugging at our atmosphere as well.

  And, while we're on the topic of tides, why do ONLY the oceans have tides when the largest bodies of water second to oceans, lakes... have ZERO tidal evidence? Why doesn't lake Superior or Michigan have similar tidal evidence? NONE!

  Gravity, earth's spin, and your weight... another gravity issue:

• The earth's speed at the equator is approximately 1030 miles an hour... see photo above. As you go north or south of this line on a global model, the rotation speed allegedly decreases. "Gravity" is allegedly what holds us to the earth and prevents things from flying off of the globe at hundreds of miles per hour, whether a marble or a jumbo jet. Gravity is also a constant... that is, it is the same "downward pull" anywhere on earth. "Gravity" is what allegedly gives us (or anything) "weight" and which counters the earth's rotating physics to throw everything off the planet. So, given those accepted "scientific" facts, we have to ask a question:

  Given the chart above, as you go north or south, the earth's speed decreases, which, from a physics point of view, "should" mean that the rotational force trying to throw you (and everything else) off the planet lessens, and "gravity" should be pulling you (and everything else...) down harder, making you (and everything else) "weight" more as the rotational speed lessens. (Think merry-go-round).

  What do we see in real world physics? You can go from the equator, to Alaska, or even the north pole (almost zero spin speed), and weigh yourself, (or anything else) and you will see that you (and everything else) weighs exactly the same as anywhere ELSE on earth, despite the differing alleged rotation speed and forces. This means that, on the globe earth model, as you go north or south, everything should weigh more, and hence, you would need much bigger muscles and strength to even walk, let alone do anything else that takes effort. EVERYTHING would HAVE to weigh more if the forces trying to throw them off the earth as it "spins" are less, and gravity attraction pulls the same everywhere. See the problem?

  Gravity and tidal pull:

• If the moon's gravity is what pulls the tides, why aren't there equal or even greater "solar" tides as well? The sun, it is claimed, is what maintains the revolutions of the planets, including earth, around itself, by gravitational pull, so there must be at least an equal force that would do the same as the moon with lunar tides on earth, but we do not see this. Imagine if "gravity" were really gravitationally "pulling" from all these "space" bodies, how much chaos would there be on earth since they are not all "pulling" from the same direction?

  Earth's alleged curve not actually there:

• The 8 inch per mile squared curvature of the earth was discussed a bit above, but let's delve into this a bit more. For every mile of earth, the curve allegedly drops almost 8 inches... squared, from end to end. If you have an expanse of water that crosses dozens or even a 100 or more miles, the drop should be easily measured. (Earth Curve Calculator). Take a laser, and place a receiver at the other side of a 100 mile body of water. The actual drop from one end to the other should measure 6100 feet... over a mile. This means that at the other end of this measurement, 6100 feet of the earth should be missing below the curve, except this doesn't happen. (See video with actual camera viewing of this below). Not even an inch disappears below the horizon and all features which should be out of view are clearly seen using a good telescope or newer cameras like the Nikon COOLPIX P1000, which has been used to prove these facts in recent times. You can try this experiment yourself if you find this hard to believe. Many dozens of scientific experiments have been conducted across great expanses of "flat" ground or bodies of water. Using modern day optics and magnification, it has been conclusively proven that the alleged 8 inch curvature simply isn't there across many miles of territory. Objects which should be many feet below the earths curve can be readily seen by good quality cameras or telescopes. This should be impossible if the earth curves downward and out of view.
• Similar experiments can be performed using laser measurements on buildings. As any building is further and further away from another, being built on a "curved" earth, the buildings should exhibit a leaning away effect from the origin of measurement.... \ /... as you measure further away buildings. However, when this is performed, the laser measures the same distance at the top of the building as at the bottom. This should not be possible unless the building is on flat, level ground, despite its distance.

  Water, sea level and bending oceans:

• The issue of water levels, (sea "level") the issue of water "bending" around a curved globe needs to be looked at as well. Water ALWAYS seeks it's own level. Simple experiments prove this every day, and this fact is actually used in landscaping and level measurements. So, the obvious question is, what maintains the "level" of water on a curved ball? Again, many call on "gravity" to come to the rescue. Does this make sense though? Water needs a container to maintain its level. Thinking scientifically and using simple physics, it is illogical to presume that water is held against the earth, "level," but then bends, but stays in level place as it bends. Again, using good equipment on the ocean front, this can be proven that the water does NOT bend along with the earth.
• For example, ships and such that seem to sail "out of view" because of going over the "curve" at the horizon, are NOT disappearing out of physical view. They appear to do this (perspective) using the naked eye, which is very limited, but the telescope or camera can soon bring these "disappeared" ships quickly back into clear and FULL view without any amount of them missing despite being dozens or even a hundred miles away. Do the experiment yourself.

  Earth's atmosphere, clouds and wind moving faster than earth's spin?

• If the earth is rotating at approximately 1030 miles per hour at the equator, how can the atmosphere be so "still" and actually move faster than the earth to the east in general trade wind weather? Same goes wherever you may be. The "atmosphere" is moving FASTER than the earth spins in usual weather patterns of west to east, and occasionally goes the OPPOSITE direction of the earth's spin, blowing east to west. (Or north, or from the south). Does it FEEL like we are traveling app. 800-900 MPH in America. Why aren't there massive wind storms?

  Earth curve, "downhill" motion of water not occurring:

• Given that the earth's alleged curve is 8 inches per mile squared, let's presume that you are standing on the sea shore, and the mountains are 100 miles away from you, toward... any direction, it doesn't matter. ANY direction from you is DOWN on a curved ball earth. At the end of the first mile, it is 8 inches lower than you, in ANY direction. Next mile is 32 inches lower than you, third mile is 72 inches lower than you, etc. At 100 miles, the ground has allegedly dropped away from you, yet, YOU, being at "sea level," understand that ALL water flows to the sea "level". So how can the water be flowing TOWARD you, uphill, to the sea where you are standing? Does that sound right and normal to you? Explain that with science.
• Another example: The Suez canal (That name is "Zeus" spelled backwards...) is 121 miles long, end to end. On a curved earth, that would be a drop of 9,704.5 feet from one end to the other end. So, why doesn't the water flow... either direction? Remember, at any point along that 121 miles, it is ALL down hill if there is a curve. Say you are at the middle of the Suez canal. At this point, the water has two basic downhill directions: forward or backward, (not to mention every OTHER direction) because water seeks its own level, as it ALWAYS does. So, why isn't there a flow of water through that canal? What keeps that water in a "level" canal "level" for 121 miles despite the 9,704.5 feet of downhill drop, ESPECIALLY on a truly flat surface that water represents? (The Panama canal, at 51 miles long is similar in physics as well). Do your own calculations:.

  Sun's light causing diverging rays despite being 93 million miles away:

  • Have you ever seen this?

  

  If the sun is 91 million miles away in winter (North America) and 94 million miles away in summer, (how do they know this?), how can a sunset reveal diverging light rays? Light travels in a "straight" line as science teaches, unless refracted by something, so how can this divergence be a regular occurrence on earth? Doesn't it appear that the sun is far closer to earth than they make it out to be? Would "refraction" be the answer to every unparallel sunset light rays shining through the clouds in exactly the same way?

  

  

  Comet regularity:

• How about the topic of "comets?" Even IF we could agree that they are out in deep space and not in the firmament itself, how can it be possible for them to make "regular" returns to earth, to be seen and analyzed, if EVERYTHING is moving at various speeds THROUGH the universe? Are we to presume that Halley's comet is so precisely in right synchronous orbit through deep space to be able to arrive perfectly in time, (not to mention all the lunar and solar "eclipses") so that it can actually be predicted? How come "gravity" that every body in space exerts doesn't alter the course of these timed arrivals?

Polaris proves non-rotating earth:

• The heliocentric model of the earth revolving around the sun while traveling at great speeds through the universe can be easily disproven, and has been. Polaris... what we all know as the "north star" has been photographed countless times in time lapse photography. These photos clearly show that all the stars are traveling around this star in perfect concentric circles. If the earth were rotating (and tilting), these pictures would be impossible. This has been true for as long as photography has been around, and the corresponding constellations have been recognizable for millennia. If the earth and all celestial bodies were traveling through space as is alleged, these constellations and stars would be changing and NOT staying exactly the same century after century. How can these lights travel in a perfect circle around Polaris if the earth is traveling around the sun, and the sun is traveling at 448,000 miles per hour through the universe?

  Side note: Could Polaris, the North Star, be where God's throne is? Everything revolves around that star, and the earth is set at the other end of this rotation system. (Isaiah 14:13).

  

  The ONLY way Polaris could have all the stars traveling in a concentric circle around it is for them to be moving, and not the earth rotating. Earth rotation could NOT allow such a time lapse picture to occur.

  Antarctic Ice wall:

• Under the geocentric flat earth model, the Antarctic is a ring of ice wall 360 degrees around the outer perimeter of the earth which holds the oceans in place. Water seeks its own level (sea level???) and outside a container, water can only "level" out all over the place.