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UPDATED 7-15-25

BREAKING:

There have been some amazing evidence coming forth from both Grok AI, and DeepSeek AI, on the truth about our earth, science, space, stars, NASA, etc. I began this trek several months ago (see below) to begin using AI (Grok first) to evaluate the data I was receiving from both external sources (many websites and videos with evidence and argument) and wanted to determine how valid the evidence (besides my own eyes) was and would be irrefutable if sincerely challenged and tested by the PTB (Powers That Be) who have been lying to us for well over 100 years. I then discovered "Gab, AI" (Arya), and decided to redo the actual questions to see if I got similar results for another AI. The results are astounding.

Grok first was open to discovery, and came to logical conclusions based on science, physics and common sense, proving the earth was, indeed, a flat plane and not a ball. (Many of the files are below and all supporting docs are in the link below). Gab then evaluated all Grok's recent responses, and you can see a change come to Grok in how it answered the challenges... usually with the typical propaganda science. DeepDeek's conclusions may shock you but the final decision is yours to determine which facts and data are right and true.

Here are all the files that you can review for yourself to see how we've been lied to, how AI is being manipulated and used for deep state agendas. Don't dismiss this as "conspiracy theories" because it WILL directly affect you . . .

This DeepSeek dialog file is the most complete to date, with a thorough discussion over several months, including similar questions Grok and Gab Aura received originally before I moved to DeepSeek on Gab. It includes some hidden dialog that I discovered after a long series of questions which seems to be the AI "thinking" but the responding AI knew nothing about this dialog... weird structure which DeepSeek felt was something that was NOT supposed to be public.

The following two docs are the most recent Grok vs Gab discussions which hit on many fraudulent NASA science scams: File 1 Gab-Grok space rocket travel science and scam

The following two docs are the midway files of Grok vs Gab discussions which hit on many fraudulent NASA science scams: File 2 Gab-Grok space rocket travel science and scam

All Grok and Gab files proving a flat earth and space science hoax, God exists, evolution is impossible, and what real Christianity is, and isn't. Are you ready for the truth?

NOTE: (I wrote this when I first began exploring this topic and began hinting at things not being what we've been taught all our lives, several months ago):

It is amazing the number of people who have expressed anger, ad hominem attacks, yelling "stupid" and many other grade school responses to simple questions and physics challenges on what is considered "conventional wisdom." This topic seems to be such a trigger for some people who apparently can't deal with anything challenging their paradigm.

Sincere, and perhaps ignorant of some physics issues, yes, are all that is being presented here. Why such vitriol and attacks if those reacting like this have any answer at all? Can't a simple debate and discussion ensue instead of fear and angst with completely ignoring the questions and resorting to name calling?

This or any other FE web sight doesn't claim to have every answer to a lifetime of propaganda science, BUT isn't afraid to ASK the obvious questions that scream out at us every day but we've been taught to ignore. It is hoped that those who are so challenged in their reactions will suspend their emotions for a short time and tackle the questions instead of the messengers, and have a love for the TRUTH over a lifetime of propaganda. Fear, ego, pride and anger are bad masters and stop you from obtaining truth in any aspect of life.

Please address the questions with answers as best you can for the benefit of us ALL!!!

March, 2025:

This is a dialog of questions and answers on many aspects of the flat/plane earth with X's Grok3 AI. It slowly introduces questions and challenges to many aspects of alleged "science", and the standing presumptions by NASA taught in every school around earth. It was designed to lead Grok into another thought train and to seriously challenge the globe earth paradigm based on actual observations, science, and the distinct element of fraud for financial and control purposes.

This is NOT for the timid or those who can't handle science, critical thinking and having their paradigm challenged. Make this a personal study. Prove Grok wrong. . . NASA????

Be patient with the process. This is two weeks of questions and personal digestion on the topics and tangents. It is not complete, but is a great source for propaganda challenges. Download the docs. Take notes or highlight the areas you want to focus on because there is profound conclusions Grok has come to based on the actually science, and the distinct possibility that fraud and manipulation (and greed) play a large part in this puzzle, forcing thinking (if truth is the honest goal) into a new direction to begin to overcome the brainwashing we've all experienced over our lives.

Also, there is discussion on Christianity, God, creator and such that Grok analyzed (bible), and conclusions that feed into the plane earth concept because you cannot have a plane earth without a creator. Be ready for some Christian teaching challenges as well. The spiritual forces hiding God are called out . . .

Grok3 AI PROVES earth is a plane and not a globe. (Data has been internet listed with instructions to release this data as far and wide as possible.)

For recent images taken with the Nikon P1000 camera of the moon, sun and alleged planets and "stars", go to the Space Evidence Page 1 and Space Evidence Page 2, and the newly added "Big Dipper" video and pics, and see if this is what you've been told about our moon, planets, "stars" and the sun.

For those skeptics who can't bring themselves to face this possibility and don't want to spend time on "foolishness", here's a short 22 minute video that will begin to delve into this topic. Original Series What-on-Earth-Happened-part 1, and Part 8 - REALLY good and will open your mind. (Be aware that the second part episode does NOT follow the first... youtube or someone messing with the series and a globe discussion follows. Obviously trying to prevent you from continuing. Just do a search for "What Happened On Earth Series part 2" and so on if they continue to mess with the series. If you cannot locate the episode on YouTube, do the same search through the browser main address bar. Some are on Rumble, too. Download these videos for obvious reasons).

You can come back here to continue your research if you've been challenged enough...

The "Flat Earth" (Geocentric) model
VS
the "Global" (heliocentric) model:
Which is Truth and Which is Fiction?

IF YOU ARE A SKEPTIC OF THIS TOPIC, THEN CLICK HERE...

REMEMBER . . .

Here are some intriguing questions that have been raised that need to be scientifically answered without lame excuses or unscientific solutions.

I ask these simple steps be taken if you are intellectually honest and really WANT the truth:

  1. Have pen and paper at hand. You will undoubtedly have questions/challenges/doubts pop into your head while you read through the various issues. Write those down so they are not floating around in your head interfering with you receiving the actual data on the individual issues themselves. You will have plenty of opportunity to redress those later on, if they aren't already answered later. That being said, this will NOT address every aspect of this topic, or every question you have. There are so many obfuscated lies we've been taught all our lives that it is very hard to even SEE them let alone answer them all. Don't let the absence of any answers to challenges you will come up with deter you from investigating what is below. If it is true, the rest will come to light eventually.

  2. Take your time and do NOT jump to conclusions using pre-programmed propaganda we all learned in school. Consider this a college level course you can't just brush away and "pass" without study.

  3. Lastly, don't try to do this all at once unless you really have the time. This topic is NOT a threat to you personally, so don't fight this like an enemy. Truth is truth and error is error. You get to decide what you want to hear and accept. Challenge it with all your might, but also, receive the facts with all your might as well.

  • Challenge One: Air Travel Quandary;

    The earth is allegedly spinning at approximately 1030 miles an hour at the equator, (faster than the speed of sound, which is 761 MPH -mach 1- another science quandary and, by the way, what keeps the earth rotating at that rate of speed?) The speed gradually lessens as you allegedly go north or south of this line on a globe model, down to zero at the poles. This would mean that if you were to fly from New York City to Los Angeles, California, approximately 2791 miles, the earth with Los Angeles on it is "traveling" toward where NYC (longitude) airspace is at approximately 750 miles per hour once the jet takes off. (On the return trip, New York City is traveling AWAY from Los Angeles air space(*) at 750 miles per hour, discussed below). Shouldn't the travel time "TO" LA be fairly quick (approximately 2.2 hours to travel the 2791 miles at 1250 MPH (750 earth travel TOWARD the jet, plus 500 MPH jet travel speed toward LA)? NOTE: 500 miles per hour is a low estimate of actual jet speeds of approximately 550-650+ miles per hour, to make it simple. NOTE: The above does NOT take into consideration the trade winds which are yet ANOTHER speed factor for traveling East toward your destination. Trade winds allegedly are traveling 150-250 MPH FASTER than the spin of the globe Earth, which is traveling East as well. (Note...How can the atmosphere be traveling that much faster than the earth itself?)

    *The term "air space" refers to where the city was under an imaginary stationary point above the city as the earth allegedly rotates away from that point.

  • Of course, the reverse is also true... Traveling from LA to NYC, The earth is moving NYC "AWAY" from LA air space at 750 MPH, while the jet is traveling at 500 MPH trying to catch up. How does the jet every catch up to NYC if it is traveling away at 750 miles per hour while the jet is only traveling at 500 MPH? How, then, is the travel times for both trips almost identical for both flights in our real world experience?

  • When jets, or ANY aircraft, fly from point A to point B, in ANY direction, why is earth's rotation NOT entered into flight calculations? Ask any pilot. Let's imagine a flight from Miami, Florida, to Chicago, Illinois. While you take off from Miami, Chicago is moving east approximately 400 miles during the actual flight time, so why set a direct flight toward Chicago 400 miles west of Miami (longitude line) only to realize Chicago is MOVING East to the right of a north traveling jet? Are flights calculated for THAT earth movement? Let's do one better... Let's go from Miami to Kansas City, KS. While you are leaving Miami, KC is traveling east at approximately 750 MPH, meaning, if the airlines wanted to save time and fuel, the plane would simply fly mostly NORTH to meet KC at the pre-planned point. Do you see the issue? Why chart a "direct flight" to another destination when the actual destination is moving away from you or toward you at varying angles? Imagine a military jet traveling north, trying to land on an aircraft carrier moving east with the earth at 750 Miles per hour...

  • When a pilot charts a course, they chart a straight line... point A to point B. The earth's alleged curve is approximately 8 inches per mile, squared - (8 inches drop the first mile, (1 X 1 X 8), 32 inches drop the second mile, (2 X 2 X 8), 72 inches drop the third mile, (3 X 3 X 8), etc.). This means that ALL destination points charted are well below the horizon. Has anyone ever heard about a pilot having to gradually nudge the nose of their aircraft DOWN to account for the curve of earth? Without that applied by the pilot, or built into the plane's "auto pilot," the aircraft would soon be climbing higher and higher, ignoring the 8 inches per mile drop, and theoretically end up in space. Ask any pilot if these calculations have ever been discussed or exist. They fly level at cruising altitude for, say, a thousand miles and there should be 124 miles lower level drop at 1000 miles and going 2000 miles, there is a 476 mile drop. Ask any pilot if they calculate for this in flying...

  • Imagine a helicopter trip. Let's say, from Chicago, Illinois to the Quad Cities, Illinois (QC) almost directly west across the state... 150+ miles. The earth is bringing the QC toward Chicago airspace at, let's say 650 miles per hour, just to adjust for being more north than DC. This means, the helicopter SHOULD be able to simply rise up and hover, and WAIT for the QC to arrive in about 15 minutes, and then drop down to land. Have you every heard of this occurring? Helicopter trips from the QC to Chicago take the same time either way. How can that be possible with a rotating earth? Why waste all that fuel moving the helicopter when the QC is being brought right to you due to this alleged rotation, for free? Some will say that the helicopter is already traveling as fast as the earth is rotating when it lifts off earth, but what KEEPS it traveling at that speed once it separates from earth? What force keeps it propelled at the same speed as the earth? The same could be said for a hot air balloons... it is nonsense magical physics. (The helicopter could actually directly fly toward the QC and reduce the time. In flying back to Chicago, the helicopter runs into the same issue of Chicago traveling AWAY from QC airspace, and the helicopter having to "catch up" to Chicago from the west as Chicago travels 650 MPH away. How fast would the helicopter have to travel to make up that difference???)

    • NOTE: There is a running argument against the above discussion which uses the term "conservation of momentum" to try to explain how a plane or helicopter retain their earth speed when they lift from the rotating planet. Of course, this defies all rational science and physics, and even suggests "perpetual motion" that somehow magically appears when the plane or helicopter leaves the earth.

      Consider: A plane takes off and allegedly maintains the same speed as the earth beneath it, but what keeps the plane at that same earth speed if the plane does a 180 turn to go the other way, and how does it lose that momentum it had from the earth? Is there some weird physics that take place as the plane turns? If it is traveling at the same rotational speed as the earth, which is west to east, (at varying speeds depending on north or south location) and it is taking off going west to east as well, but then does a 180 turn to head the opposite east to west direction, what compensates for that sudden earth rotation speed trying to keep it going in the same take off direction? Under physics, the rotational forces it left the ground with would be acting on the plane as it slowly turned and would still be acting on the plane, eventually having it move backwards for a time until the earth speed it left with was compensated for. It is simple physics.

      Another problem issue of our atmosphere and plane flight is discussed below

  • Lastly on this topic, try chartering a direct flight from Melbourne, Australia to Buenos Aires, Argentina. In fact, try booking ANY direct flight in the "southern hemisphere" for that matter. I tried to schedule the above trip, and I could, but, the trip was completely out of line with Buenos Aires on a globe model. A direct flight from Melbourne, Australia, OR even Auckland, NZ was impossible. The distance from either is approximately 7236 miles and 6395 miles respectively, however, the flight went from, let's start with Auckland, to San Francisco (North) 6499 miles, then from SF to Houston at 1642 miles, then from Houston to Buenos Aires, Argentina at 5025 miles. So, we have a direct flight of 6395 miles from Auckland, but have to travel 13,166 miles to make that trip, with the huge out-of-the-way trip to the Northern Hemisphere and America. This makes zero sense on a global model but the ONLY real route on a flat earth model. Do your own trip planning for similar trips and track the path. How does any of that make sense?

  • Here are "scientific" alleged rotation stats you can use to decide whether their "science" can explain the challenges in this document... (trust the science...) or more deception. At the North Pole (90 degrees north) and South Pole (90 degrees south), the speed is effectively zero because that spot rotates once in 24 hours, at a very, very slow speed.

For other latitudes, the earth's speed is:

  • 10 degrees: 1,021.7837 mph (1,644.4 km/h)
  • 20 degrees: 974.9747 mph (1,569.1 km/h)
  • 30 degrees: 898.54154 mph (1,446.1 km/h)
  • 40 degrees: 794.80665 mph (1,279.1 km/h)
  • 50 degrees: 666.92197 mph (1,073.3 km/h)
  • 60 degrees: 518.7732 mph (834.9 km/h)
  • 70 degrees: 354.86177 mph (571.1 km/h)
  • 80 degrees: 180.16804 mph (289.95 km/h)

Sample table of alleged orbital velocities

City Latitude MPH KPH
Longyearbyen, Norway 78.1 degrees N 214 344
Moscow, Russia 55.8 degrees N 583 939
London, UK 51.5 degrees N 646 1040
New York, USA 41.9 degrees N 772 1243
Los Angeles, USA 34.1 degrees N 859 1383
Quito, Ecuador 0.2 degrees S 1037 1670
Rio de Janeiro, Brazil 22.9 degrees 955 1538
Cape Town, South Africa 33.9 degrees S 861 1386
Ushuaia, Argentina 54.5 degrees S 602 970

Do you feel like you are moving, even a little, standing where you are on earth? Explain the science that answers the questions herein.

Challenge two: Space and our atmosphere.

  • The earth has a pressurized atmosphere which allegedly borders the huge vacuum of space. The elephant in the room is this... what keeps the atmosphere from rushing toward that vacuum? In any grade school science experiment with pressure and vacuum, it is well established that pressure moves TOWARD a vacuum. Two pressure differences cannot exist side by side without a barrier, or movement toward the lower pressure, as in weather system "highs" and "lows". Law of thermodynamics. Take a container with a divider in it. One side you fill with air, the other you remove all air, leaving a vacuum. What happens when you remove the divider between the air and vacuum or open a valve between the two? Any child knows the air will fill the vacuum, and equalize the container. So, how can the atmosphere of earth be contained with no divider between the alleged vacuum of space and the atmosphere itself? What "physics" are so different up there that the atmosphere simply stays in place, countering the 2nd law of thermodynamics? Continuing, this would call into question ALL the planets in our "solar system" with their atmospheres, clouds, the "gas giants, etc. Are they really as described? What of all the alleged images of these bodies with intact atmospheres? How much of what we've been fed for all our lives is actually real and NOT computer generated?

    Challenge three: Gravity-The Magic word.

  • Many will say "gravity" is what maintains the atmosphere from being sucked into the vacuum. Does this negate the pressure laws we just discussed? How can "gravity" (something they STILL cannot explain scientifically with any credibility) hold air away from such a huge vacuum of space? Space vacuum is tremendously powerful, as NASA and others portray...(less than 1 millionth tore). If this is the explanation, why doesn't the moon's "gravity" (or sun...) not pull at the atmosphere away from earth? The moon is alleged to be the "pull" which causes the ocean's tides, and the sun is allegedly the pull maintaining earth in an orbit around it, so it logically should be tugging at the atmosphere at the same time, especially without any barrier to stop the tug forces, right? I mean, if the earth holds the atmosphere around earth due to its "gravitational pull" and the moon tugs at the earth's tides (and earth itself), it would HAVE to be tugging at our atmosphere as well.

    And, while we're on the topic of tides, why do ONLY the oceans have tides when the largest bodies of water second to oceans, lakes... have ZERO tidal evidence? Why doesn't lake Superior or Michigan have similar tidal evidence? NONE!

    Gravity, earth's spin, and your weight... another gravity issue:

  • The earth's speed at the equator is approximately 1070 miles an hour... see photo above. As you go north or south of this line on a global model, the rotation speed allegedly decreases. "Gravity" is allegedly what holds us to the earth and prevents things from "drifting"(*) off of the "globe", whether a marble or a jumbo jet. Gravity is also a constant according to scientists ... that is, it is the same "downward pull" anywhere on earth. "Gravity" is what allegedly gives us (or anything) "weight" and which counters the earth's rotating physics to throw everything off the planet. So, given those accepted "scientific" facts, we have to ask a question:

    * "Drifting" is used because if gravity suddenly disappeared, things would not instantly shoot off into space, but rather "appear" to drift up/off the ground due to their original attachment to the rotating earth, which would continue in a straight line, however, they would slow down relative to the earth spin, (nothing sustaining that original earth rotation motion) and would immediately move toward space.

    Given the chart above, as you go north or south, the earth's speed decreases, which, from a physics point of view, "should" mean that the rotational force trying to throw you (and everything else) off the planet at those locations lessens, and "gravity" should be pulling you (and everything else...) down harder, (being a constant) making you (and everything else) "weight" more as the rotational speed lessens. (Think merry-go-round).

    What do we see in real world physics? You can go from the equator, to Alaska, or even the north pole (almost zero spin speed), and weigh yourself, (or anything else) and you will see that you (and everything else) weighs exactly the same as anywhere ELSE on earth, despite the differing alleged rotation speed and forces. This means that, on the globe earth model, as you go north or south, everything should weigh more with much less "rotational" force at those locations, and hence, you would need much bigger muscles and strength to even walk, let alone do anything else that takes effort. EVERYTHING would HAVE to weigh more if the forces trying to throw them off the earth as it "spins" are less, and gravity attraction pulls the same everywhere. On the flip side, you should be launching off (weighing much LESS) into "space" or tossed around like a rag doll due to less spin force and yet the "same" gravitational pull.

    See the problems?

    I'm sure there is more "science" and "physics" that could be discussed and would have an impact on the problems.

    Gravity and tidal pull:

  • If the moon's gravity is what pulls the tides, why aren't there equal or even greater "solar" tides as well? The sun, it is claimed, is what maintains the revolutions of the planets, including earth, around itself, by gravitational pull, so there must be at least an equal force that would do the same as the moon with lunar tides on earth, but we do not see this. Imagine if "gravity" were really gravitationally "pulling" from all these "space" bodies, how much chaos would there be on earth since they are not all "pulling" from the same direction?

    Challenge four: Earth's alleged curve not actually there.:

  • The 8 inch per mile squared curvature of the earth was discussed a bit above, but let's delve into this a bit more. For every mile of earth, the curve allegedly drops almost 8 inches... squared, from end to end. If you have an expanse of water that crosses dozens or even a 100 or more miles, the drop should be easily measured. (Earth Curve Calculator). Take a laser, and place a receiver at the other side of a 100 mile body of water. The actual drop from one end to the other should measure 6100 feet... over a mile. This means that at the other end of this measurement, 6100 feet of the earth should be missing below the curve, except this doesn't happen. (See video with actual camera viewing of this below). Not even an inch disappears below the horizon and all features which should be out of view are clearly seen using a good telescope or newer cameras like the Nikon COOLPIX P1000, which has been used to prove these facts in recent times. You can try this experiment yourself if you find this hard to believe. Many dozens of scientific experiments have been conducted across great expanses of "flat" ground or bodies of water. Using modern day optics and magnification, it has been conclusively proven that the alleged 8 inch curvature simply isn't there across many miles of territory. Objects which should be many feet below the earths curve can be readily seen by good quality cameras or telescopes. This should be impossible if the earth curves downward and out of view.

  • Similar experiments can be performed using laser measurements on buildings. As any building is further and further away from another, being built on a "curved" earth, the buildings should exhibit a leaning away effect from the origin of measurement.... \ /... as you measure further away buildings. However, when this is performed, the laser measures the same distance at the top of the building as at the bottom. This should not be possible unless the building is on flat, level ground, despite its distance.

    Water, sea level and bending oceans:

  • The issue of water levels, (sea "level") the issue of water "bending" around a curved globe needs to be looked at as well. Water ALWAYS seeks it's own level. Simple experiments prove this every day, and this fact is actually used in landscaping and level measurements. So, the obvious question is, what maintains the "level" of water on a curved ball? Again, many call on "gravity" to come to the rescue. Does this make sense though? Water needs a container to maintain its level. Thinking scientifically and using simple physics, it is illogical to presume that water is held against the earth, "level," but then bends, but stays in level place as it bends. Again, using good equipment on the ocean front, this can be proven that the water does NOT bend along with the earth.

  • For example, ships and such that seem to sail "out of view" because of going over the "curve" at the horizon, are NOT disappearing out of physical view. They appear to do this (perspective) using the naked eye, which is very limited, but the telescope or camera can soon bring these "disappeared" ships quickly back into clear and FULL view without any amount of them missing despite being dozens or even a hundred miles away. Do the experiment yourself.

    Earth curve, "downhill" motion of water not occurring:

  • Given that the earth's alleged curve is 8 inches per mile squared, let's presume that you are standing on the sea shore, and the mountains are 100 miles away from you, toward... any direction, it doesn't matter. ANY direction from you is DOWN on a curved ball earth. At the end of the first mile, it is 8 inches lower than you, in ANY direction. Next mile is 32 inches lower than you, third mile is 72 inches lower than you, etc. At 100 miles, the ground has allegedly dropped away from you, yet, YOU, being at "sea level," understand that ALL water flows to the sea "level". So how can the water be flowing TOWARD you, uphill, to the sea where you are standing? Does that sound right and normal to you? Explain that with science.

  • Another example: The Suez canal (That name is "Zeus" spelled backwards...) is 121 miles long, end to end. On a curved earth, that would be a drop of 9,704.5 feet from one end to the other end. So, why doesn't the water flow... either direction? Remember, at any point along that 121 miles, it is ALL down hill if there is a curve. Say you are at the middle of the Suez canal. At this point, the water has two basic downhill directions: forward or backward, (not to mention every OTHER direction) because water seeks its own level, as it ALWAYS does. So, why isn't there a flow of water through that canal? What keeps that water in a "level" canal "level" for 121 miles despite the 9,704.5 feet of downhill drop, ESPECIALLY on a truly flat surface that water represents? (The Panama canal, at 51 miles long is similar in physics as well). Do your own calculations:.

    Challenge five: Earth's atmosphere, clouds and wind moving faster than earth's spin.

  • If the earth is rotating at approximately 1030 miles per hour at the equator, how can the atmosphere be so "still" and actually move faster than the earth to the east in general trade wind weather? Same goes wherever you may be. The "atmosphere" is moving FASTER than the earth spins in usual weather patterns of west to east, and occasionally goes the OPPOSITE direction of the earth's spin, blowing east to west, which you would expect on an actual spinning ball. Does it FEEL like we are traveling app. 700-800 MPH in America. Why aren't there massive wind storms?

    The usual argument is that the earth's rotation is "dragging" the atmosphere along with it, so it is all "relative." Consider: If the earth's rotation is "dragging" the atmosphere, that means it is being drug at the alleged rotation speed of the earth relative to the atmosphere in any given location. For example, if the earth's rotation speed at the equator is a little over 1000 miles per hour, the earth is "dragging" the atmosphere in that location at the same speed, making it "seem" like it is still or calmly moving. However, that SAME atmosphere in, let's say America, is traveling at "only", say, 700 MPH, and that "drag" speed continues to be reduced as you go north or south (on the globe model).

    However, what we observe is that despite these big differences in atmosphere speeds, they are relatively the SAME in BOTH locations, and does not show any atmospheric disturbances despite these alleged spin differences. Now, compound THAT with this: As a plane rises from the ground, "science" alleges that the atmosphere (being drug) is actually moving FASTER as you go up for it to NOT be a major disturbance in air movement... i.e. as you go up, the atmosphere MUST be moving significantly FASTER the higher up you go to remain in sync with the earth's spin, not unlike an alleged "satellite" that MUST be moving FAR faster than the actual spin of the earth to remain in a geosynchronous orbit because of the distance away from earth. The time it takes the surface of the earth to travel one rotation is 24 hours at the given speeds, so if a satellite, or atmosphere, is further away from earth, but rotating in sync with the surface of the earth, it MUST travel faster to reach the SAME distance in 24 hours. See the problem? What could possibly account for such an increased speed of "air?"

    As a plane takes off and travels up, the air MUST be moving at ever increasing speeds to match the earth's rotation and not cause major atmospheric disturbances. The higher you go, the faster it would have to be moving. Now add going north or south in that plane where the atmosphere speeds are less and less, yet we see or feel zero disturbances, and the plane is not affected by these major speed changes. Impossible on a globe.

    "They" are suggesting that the earth itself is "dragging" the surface air at the same speed as the earth's rotation, but are we going to believe that this alleged "drag" is capable of "dragging" the air above us, up miles and miles, at a far FASTER speed? This is a physical impossibility given rational physics and simple observations.

    Challenge six: Sun's light causing diverging rays despite being 93 million miles away.

    • Have you ever seen this?

      If the sun is 91 million miles away in winter (North America) and 94 million miles away in summer, (how do they know this?), how can a sunset reveal diverging light rays? Light travels in a "straight" line as science teaches, unless refracted by something, so how can this divergence be a regular occurrence on earth? Doesn't it appear that the sun is far closer to earth than they make it out to be? Would "refraction" be the answer to every unparallel sunset light rays shining through the clouds in exactly the same way?

      Here's a directory of recent sun ray pictures taken in Colorado at about 6700 feet elevation beginning at 7 AM. This page includes a question I presented to DeepSeek AI regarding these pictures and the way the light was showing, and DeepSeek's data and science conclusions. After you've read AI's resoonse, you can see how the rays all point directly BACK to the source... the Sun, and this is impossible with a light source allegedly 93 million miles away. (See more AI proofs at Evidence site and click on "Start Here" directory, and click on "DeepSeek-Grok-AI-science-challenges-flat-earth-complete-dialog-footnotes-index-1.pdf" for latest document... over 500 page main document of evidence that will amaze you.

      You can click here as well: DeepSeek-Grok-AI-science-challenges-flat-earth-complete-dialog-footnotes-index-1.pdf

      This is just one more bit of science evidence that supports the created closed system earth is.

    Challenge seven: Comet regularity.

  • How about the topic of "comets?" Even IF we could agree that they are out in deep space and not in the firmament itself, how can it be possible for them to make "regular" returns to earth, to be seen and analyzed, IF "EVERYTHING" is moving at various speeds THROUGH the universe? Are we to presume that Halley's comet is so precisely in right synchronous orbit through deep space to be able to arrive perfectly in time, (not to mention all the lunar and solar "eclipses") so that it can actually be predicted? How come "gravity" that every body in space exerts doesn't alter the course of these timed arrivals?

A couple last topics...

Polaris proves non-rotating earth:

  • The heliocentric model of the earth revolving around the sun while traveling at great speeds through the universe can be easily disproven, and has been. Polaris... what we all know as the "north star" has been photographed countless times in time lapse photography. These photos clearly show that all the stars are traveling around this star in perfect concentric circles. If the earth were rotating (and tilting), these pictures would be impossible. This has been true for as long as photography has been around, and the corresponding constellations have been recognizable for millennia. If the earth and all celestial bodies were traveling through space as is alleged, these constellations and stars would be changing and NOT staying exactly the same century after century. How can these lights travel in a perfect circle around Polaris if the earth is traveling around the sun, and the sun is traveling at 448,000 miles per hour through the universe?

    Side note: Could Polaris, the North Star, be where God's throne is? Everything revolves around that star, and the earth is set at the other end of this rotation system. (Isaiah 14:13).

    The ONLY way Polaris could have all the stars traveling in a concentric circle around it is for them to be moving, and not the earth rotating. Earth rotation could NOT allow such a time lapse picture to occur.

    Polaris Video page

    Antarctic Ice wall:

  • Under the geocentric flat earth model, the Antarctic is a ring of ice wall 360 degrees around the outer perimeter of the earth which holds the oceans in place. Water seeks its own level (sea level???) and outside a container, water can only "level" out all over the place.

    Why did approximately 54 nations sign treaties declaring the Antarctic off limits? No one can go beyond the 60th parallel to explore this continent. No public fly-overs are allowed. Why, if this is the shortest route for many flights? What is on the other side of the Antarctic ice wall? More land? Why did Admiral Byrd speak about abundance beyond the ice wall on this continent in his explorations? Why would they want to keep people from exploring this area?

Is there biblical evidence of the earth being a plane and not a ball?

The atmosphere is held above earth by a "firmament" as described in the Bible in Genesis. (Gen. 1:6). (Please note that if the bible turns you off from discovering the truth about your home, then don't pay any attention to the discussion on the bible evidence, and concentrate on the secular scientific facts that cannot be refuted... THEN you may want to rethink the idea of our human destiny and how we are being lied to by an enemy... EVEN about the bible itself and what it truly teaches.)

Video on biblical proof and government documents proving no "space".

What would the flat earth, if fully proven as scientific fact, mean for humanity?

What other myths might crumble along with the enslavement and limitation of humanity under scientific voodoo?

  • It would mean we never went to the moon in the 60's.

  • No mars landing, space probes, etc., would be possible if there is a dome above us containing our atmosphere.

  • The biggest elephant in the room would be, "who built the wall, and why?" It would soon be evident to all humanity that this dome and ice wall were deliberate creations and did not "evolve" over millions of years, destroying the false religion of evolution. I still have many questions(**) I'm searching out that address all the brainwashing I received in schools in science, but the above are serious challenges that no one has been able to answer with any credibility and proof. Such a scientific fact being suppressed by the elite have a single purpose in keeping this hidden...

  • ... that of hiding the fact of there being a creator God who established this "container" specifically for humanity. A firmament above a flat plane earth precludes "evolution" of the universe, the "big bang" fraud, and proves we are at the very center of the known universe, and are part of the most incredible creative process possible... that of being created in the very image and likeness of our creator. The whole concept of a creator God's existence would be inevitable, and THAT is a big reason this is being hidden and obfuscated. Evidence of design, intelligence and intention.

  • No one is leaving this planet without God and without being changed by His power and force to be able to survive outside this envelope. Humanity is being separated from God by the scientific misdirection and fraud being implemented on all humanity. The enemy, Satan, and his fallen angels, (UFO's alleged "extra-terrestrials") all want mankind to fail in this process, and thus, so many are being deceived and cast into a limitless universe, on an insignificant ball in the middle of the vastness of "space" and made to feel like accidents of evolution and no more important than some endangered species, or even a worm.

  • This would mean earth is the center of creation and God's plan, not some remote speck in an endless sea of specks, making humanity appear to be meaningless and of no consequence instead of realizing that humanity is destined to be God's very offspring. Evil does not want that realization to enter the human mind. This fact demands humanity to look inward and then realize that it is only looking outward, toward the creator of this habitat that we will ever be able to reach that level of existence where our creator lives, and realize our destiny... that of being born into the God Family!

Miscellaneous points to consider:

  • Have you ever seen the moon actually approaching the sun during an eclipse, and gradually covering it? See video below on this topic.

  • The global flood of Genesis is even more plausible given a flat plane that could be flooded.

  • Consider this: Satellites are allegedly all over space above a rotating earth. Many are allegedly in "geosynchronous orbit." This means that, in order for the satellites to maintain that same position over one spot on earth at "X" number of miles "above" earth, those satellites would have to be moving far faster than the earth rotates at any given surface position, AND, each satellite would have to be placed at that speed individually depending on where it is over a rotating globe. The logistics of this achievement would be unimaginable.

  • Given the evidence herein thus far, the entire moon landing scenario seem impossible, (dome and sealed system).

    The evidence of the staged landing-1 and evidence of the staged landing-2

    Scott Henderson: Apollo Hoax, California Dreaming [Mirror]

    Apollo Moon Hoax Evidence

    Wagging the Moondoggie: Discussion of the moon landing logistics and the more and more obvious lack of evidence that we truly landed on the moon.

    Was the Moon Landing Reality or Theater? New Evidence You Probably Have Not Seen

    Scott Henderson - more photo evidence of moon landing hoax

    The moon landing pictures and evidence has been evaluated by many professionals, and found to be laughable and provably faked. There are dozens of videos on this evidence proving we never went to the moon, but they are a challenge to locate (they aren't on the first few pages of any search...) as they are being suppressed and manipulated like so many topics being suppressed by fake news and government criminals these days.

    In fact, November 28, 2023 a video was released where Putin was shown moon landing pictures which Google AI stated categorically were FAKE images.

    The pictures of the astronauts on the moon all those times, with the sun shining on them... look at the moon anytime it is visible, and you see a bright shining surface, even at a crescent. The astronauts were obviously portrayed in the "sun" light but that light was very dim compared to what we see from earth. How can this be? (See more image proof of this issue HERE

Video and other Evidence: (Keep this in mind in investigating this topic... don't shoot the messenger. Many people are trying in their own way to expose this and many related topics, and don't always do it in a professional or even desirable way, especially in videos. The message is what is important, so take what you can make sense of and use it, and don't let the delivery persuade you away from continuing your search).